Monday, 30 December 2013

CMM & Character Assassination

I was dragged into controversy twice this year. The first one happened in August when someone created a fake ID under my profile name. They then spread false news that I was the admin of the infamous Facebook page The Comedy Machas & Machis a.k.a CMM.







This issue was then settled when I reported it to FB support. They removed the fake profile. But I don't know what they did with this fake Sharmalan Thevar. God knows who commented what with it.

I am not sure why I was framed as the admin of CMM. My blog was also highlighted. It was a time when the original CMM page was about to be closed down. Perhaps someone felt that it was better to put me in trouble and divert the attention of the public.

A relative of mine even called up to inform that people were looking for me as they want to take revenge on CMM admins. They then found out that it was a hoax and I am not involved with CMM.

So I escaped without harm. Vasuge was pregnant at that time. Imagine the fear she would have had in her.

As that issue was settled quickly, I continued with my blogging. As you all know, my blog contains many articles which focuses on Indian history particularly those concerning the various castes or clans we have.

Since it involves the various castes, I have always been careful with my choice of words. This is because caste is a very sensitive issue. Therefore, one has to be very cautious when writing about it. Furthermore, I have to write about castes because it is impossible to separate it from Indian history.

How does one explain the invasion of Thondaimandalam by Athondai Chola without mentioning about the massacre of Kurumba tribes and the resettlement of Vellalars which later created a new identity known as Thondaimandalam Vellalar a.k.a Mudaliars???

Most of you won't even understand what is mentioned above :)

On 27 December this year, while preparing for my daughter's fullmoon celebration, I was alerted by a friend that I was once again dragged into controversy. This time by the admin of CMM itself.

So what did they highlight this time? Well, they targeted my clan group, the Malaysian Mukkulathors and branded me as a caste fanatic.


Firstly, CMM admins or their supporters know nothing about my clan group. Because it is a closed group. I know that someday someone is going to create a baseless issue out of it. This is why the group never functioned as an open public group.

Many do not know that the 500 members of this group are actually related to each other. We come from various families comprising 38 family names. The 38 family names and 500 members are divided among three clans known as the Kallar, Maravar and Agamudayar people. Hence, the terminology Mukkulathor (people of the three clans) is used.

Most of us trace our origins to the districts of Ramanathapuram, Sivagangai, Pudukottai, Tiruvarur and Thanjavur. Alot of us share common ancestors from the same village. This group has been active since 16 October 2009. 

So why should CMM or its supporters feel disturbed when 500 relatives decide to be in a Facebook group? 

The Chinese, Irish, Malays all have their own clan associations. You cannot simply join Persatuan Anak-Anak Bugis Selangor if you are not a Bugis. Similarly, you cannot walk into the Liew Clan Association if you are not one of them.

The same concept is applied for the Malaysian Mukkulathors group and all the other Indian clan association. It is formed purely with the intention of bringing our relatives closer and tracing our roots. 

There are dozens of Indian clan associations in Facebook. The Udayars, Vanniars, Nadars, Vellala Gounder, Pallars all have it. People of the same jathi (clan) are actually relatives. They share common ancestry and there is nothing wrong if they decide to bond with their kinsmen.

Of course, many will not understand this as they don't even know the basics of history.

I am sure many of you heard about Dato Haji Thasleem. He is a nice man who has done alot for the poor. But how many of you are aware that he is also the president of an association known as Malaysia Alagankulam Muslim Jamath?




I am merely showing an example of another organisation which has similar concept although it is non-Hindu and Muslim. Clan and ancestral village matters to some because it is all about their extended family.

One of my blog reader is from the Nagarathar clan. His family has a family office in Pillaiyarpatti. They have a record of their family tree up to 1000 years. One branch of the clan is currently 20,000 big.

Will CMM attack the other Indian clan associations just like how they attacked mine? 

So why did CMM selectively targeted me and my blog only? You ponder upon that by yourself.

The FB group Malaysian Mukkulathors never at any point of time involved itself in activities which could disrupt the harmony in Indian community. On other words, we never "cari pasal" with anyone. 

(Click to read what CMM said about me. View the comments)

It was CMM which started the fight. They claim that it is against humanity and that I was bribed extra 5kg of rice by BN and old clothes by Dato G for being a Thevar. 

Why such cheap statement??

Their followers then went on to pass personal remarks on me. All without reading my blog post properly.

(Click to read what CMM said about my wife. View the comments)

When one of them tagged my wife in their post, my wife responded by stating that people are just throwing their words without investigating.

Someone then took a screenshot of that and mocked my wife in CMM when most of them don't even know her personally. The verbal attacked continued. 

Is this how we foster harmony among Indians in Malaysia?

However, there were a few of them who cared to first check before commenting. Here is an example of a guy who disagreed with CMM on their wall post.


Most of them who commented in CMM and the admin of CMM itself do not understand the complexity of Indian demographics. Many are not even aware of the vast difference we have within our community. Speaking about it is not wrong at all. 

If Indians do not research on their own clan roots, who else will? We cannot expect Edgar Thurston to return from his grave and do another research for us.

How many of you even know that matrilineal system like the one practiced by the Minangkabaus still exist among 18 Tamil clans?

Of course most of you don't know and don't care about it. So why bother commenting about someone who does research on such topics especially when no caste was insulted?

As what one of my blog follower said:

"Indians in pathetic condition because all their judgments are made in emotional basis rather thn rational..without knowing head and tail simply go beserk and unleash hatred..very sad with this kind of chracter assasination."

This guy is actualy right. 

Just because I run a FB group for my relatives in the clan and write in blog about various clans, CMM decided to use this to their advantage and spoil my name. 

As usual, those who commented in CMM never bothered to think about this. They behaved like a herd of sheep which blindly follows the shepherd.

Interestingly, these people also failed to realize that just a few days ago, on 18 December, I wrote an article on inter caste marriage and how it can be practiced in the Indian diaspora. I doubt any caste fanatic will even think of writing an article that promotes inter caste marriage.


To all those CMM fans and admins, if you are unhappy with my blog or my affiliation with my clan, then it is just too bad that I can't do anything to please you. 

I don't see anything wrong to be affiliated with my clan, use my hereditary surname or blog about Indian history. This is my rights and it is actually none of your business.

You have over 17,000 fans. 
A dozen admins.
Yet you are afraid of a group of 500 clan members managed by 1 admin?
You must be a special kind of coward hiding behind Senthil's face.


CMM's decent reply to someone who tried explaining about my blog. This is how they promote unity among Indians.

Wednesday, 18 December 2013

Intercaste Marriage?

My blog attracted quite a number of people from outside Malaysia. Most of them are Tamils from India. I made a few good friends this way. 

An Indian friend of mine recently started a topic on inter caste marriage. Well we exchanged our views and he felt that although one of my idea was good, he doubt it can ever happen in the present era. 

A radical one which will surely be rejected by the Tamils in Tamil Nadu. Perhaps we can try it in the diaspora.

The usual war cry echoed by most Tamil political party (without sincerity!) is eradication of caste. But not many responded to it in the way they wanted. 

Their only victory was eradication of caste surname but people still marry among their own caste. Only 1.3% of weddings in 2011 (Tamil Nadu) were inter caste weddings. The caste sentiment is still strong there.

Of course it has many ups and downs. 

I am of the opinion that inter caste marriage is not wrong but it should not be at the expense of your own roots. On other words, not knowing your own roots should not be the consequences of inter caste marriages. 

This is because the Tamil society is in such way that we cannot separate the castes and clans from Tamil heritage. It is all inter linked and bonded by kinship. Once you forget your own roots, you will start loosing your own identity.

So you can marry someone of another caste if that is going to guarantee you a better life but never forget who you are. 

Unfortunately many people think that to marry someone of a different caste, you need to sacrifice and forget your own identity. A wrong concept.

So how does one maintain their identity and also not be against inter caste marriages?

My suggestion:

1. Use your caste surname as family names. Thevar, Mudaliar, Udayar, Pillai, Nadar, Konar, Chettiar, Kaunder, Moopanar, Naicker, Padayatchi etc. 80% of Tamils have caste surnames and there are over 2,000 Tamil caste surnames.

2. Since you now use it as family name, it is only natural that your children marry someone from a different family name. i.e Thevar-Servai, Pillai-Mudaliar, Udayar-Chettiar etc. Just like what the Chinese or those in the Western country do.

3. The inter caste marriage can happen without sacrificing your own identity. For as long as the surnames are passed down by the fathers, roots will be remembered. Every surname has a history of its own. 

But wait, we have problems.

Firstly, among the diaspora, we have dishonest people who may lie about their origins. Not all with the Pillai surname are actual Pillais. The diaspora have no caste certificates like in India to check on this unless their respective associations do something about it. This caused many people to be defensive about their own identity although they may not speak openly about it. They then tend to become hostile towards others.

Secondly, many orthodox minded people in the diaspora believe that if caste surnames are used as family names, their children will end up marrying someone with a different surname. For example, an orthodox Mudaliar may not like to see his daughter marrying a Pillai. He may want her to marry another Mudaliar. The orthodox minded people are very particular to the extend that marriage among different sub caste is not practiced although they are part of the same caste group.

For these reasons, my idea may never work in the present era. But I believe it will be a logical solution for the future. We get to encourage inter caste marriage and also maintain our identity.

Perhaps not today, 
Perhaps not in another 100 years, 
But some day the society may consider it.

Tuesday, 17 December 2013

The Other Side of Caste Issue

We often hear or read about caste related issues especially the practice of untouchability. Although this is not common in Malaysia, it is still practiced in certain parts of India.

Although I am proud of my own clan roots, I am against the practice of untouchability. On other words, I am against hereditary Varna (class), not Jati (clan).

People of the same clan are often related to each other. I am still able to some how trace my blood ties with my own clansmen. 

Like in the case of a Kandiyar friend who is related to me on my maternal side, we managed to trace our roots going up to several generations. 

His great grandmother was in fact born in my maternal grandfather's house back in India. The maternal family of my mother share the same Indian ancestral village as his paternal family.

So it is not easy to just throw away these ties.

It will be a lie if someone especially in Malaysia tells us that they do not believe in caste. Actually, it is not a matter of believing. It is a matter how it is being practiced.

The Malaysian Indians may tell that they do not look at Jati when it comes to marriage, but they still look at Varna and they look at it from various angles.

A Senior Executive of a company does not date the Janitor. Status concerned parents who look for suitable groom for their Masters holding daughter will never consider a groom who works as an Office Clerk even if he has no financial problems and has the best character. 

This status concerned attitude is also a form of casteism. To be more specific, we can call it Varnaism.

Even the most hardcore chest thumping champions of equality will never consider the Bangladeshis or Nigerians as potential grooms for their Indian daughters. (assuming that they have money)

But I am not going to declare them as bad because I noticed that this is a common human trait. The rich and famous often go after those of similar class. They do not look for brides in the slums.

Perhaps we humans have evolved to be like this. To be attached with what we consider as a reflection of ourselves.

Coming back to the purpose of article......

Sometimes I feel that highlight is only being given to one side of the story. Probably the common story of caste discrimination attracts people more.

If I were to write an article condemning all these with the usual anti-caste theme, alot of them will be delighted. Probably hundreds will share my article making it a sensational one.

But that is not what I am going to write. I will write about the problems that comes from the other side. A very sensitive issue which most people prefer not to talk about.

But for how long?

In Malaysia, I have encountered many cases which involves cheating in weddings. 

The ones mostly affected are the girls. When the family finds a groom, the groom identifies himself as "Oh yes! I am a Kaunder too". So believing that everything is alright, the wedding goes on.

They then find out that the groom is not a Kaunder and he (and his family) cheated. All hell breaks loose. Of course, you cannot just untie the Thali and walk off but it causes many people to be upset about the whole thing. I have seen families breaking apart because of this.

What happens next? 

People start questioning the need to lie about your roots. Incidents like these are more than enough to stereotype an entire community.

"They are like that. They will lie about themselves and try to marry our girls. We must never trust them"

I have probably heard the same line (above) from almost every Mudaliar, Pillai, Kaunder, Thevar, Nadar, Nair whom I have met. Same story, different version, same conclusion.

Some people also went to the extend of inserting suffix like Pillai or Nair in their birth cert despite not being a real Pillai or Nair. This only increased the level of mistrust. 

"You know that fella calling himself a Nair? He is not a real Nair. I know him and his family. We came from the same hometown"

We also have an Indian political party known as Indian Progressive Front (IPF) which was formed solely to cater for the needs of the Dalit people. They split from the Malaysian Indian Congress (MIC).

They never made it big, never really achieved anything despite having links with other Dalit organisations. 

Although it was obvious that they formed it for their own caste benefit, they have always claimed that it is a party for all Indians irrespective of castes. 

The irony is they tell others to do away with caste but they themselves have links with their own caste organisations. 

People often do not speak openly about these things be it in Malaysia or even India. 

Why the double standard? 

If we are sincere in respecting equality, we should give the same amount of attention to both sides of the story. The victims are not always the ones we think should be the victims.

You may think that I am talking rubbish.
You may even think that this is a useless piece of article.

But do your own survey and discuss this if you are interested.

(Avoid discussing if you are going to be emotional about it)




Thursday, 12 December 2013

God & The Messenger

I have always believed that religion and the existence of God should be questioned. However, questioning does not mean one has to loose faith in these two. 

People interpret the concept of God differently. Some choose to believe in God due to their own personal experience. Others believe in God because they are told to.

It was never a problem to believe or even to disbelieve in God. The crux of the matter has always been how you compare your way of believing with the believes of others. 

What causes problem between the different set of people is their view on others who have a different view from them. The very egoistic concept of 'Only we worship the real God' is the root cause of all religious wars. 

This egoistic concept is then emphasized by the need to be in certain religion in order to be accepted as true believers of the actual God.

The actual God who nobody has seen or interacted with. But again, the problem here is neither the existence nor the non-existence of God.


It usually starts with the concept of 'Messenger'. The messengers often describe themselves as people who were chosen by God to spread the true teachings of God. 

The messenger will then proclaim that those who do not believe in his words are doomed to be in hell. The ones who accept his teachings are to be guaranteed a place in paradise for they have accepted his view of God as the only true view.

This concept will then evolve into a series of teachings. As the crowd who believes in the teaching gets larger, it forms its own following. 

A name will then be given. It becomes a separate entity within the existing community. It will have its own rules to follow based on a particular source which we have decided to call as the scriptures.

The scriptures echoes the principles laid out by the messenger, which he claims as revealed by God. It becomes the de facto rule book which everyone in the group must follow in order to be accepted.

Along the way, the crowd gets bigger and bigger. Nobody questions if the messenger was speaking the truth or was it just a hoax to promote his own ideals. 

Even when questioned numerous time, nobody will be able to provide any evidence that the messenger actually interacted with divine forces because very often, the messenger was all alone when that happened.

If God wanted his message to be heard by everyone, then the best option will be to select a messenger from each clan all over the world at the same time, with the same message, from the same source.

Selecting one particular human thousands of miles away from a larger community does not seem to be the ideal way of spreading the good news from God.


Because if that is indeed the true message, what about those thousands of people who lives miles away that will most probably die without hearing the message?

Say for example, I as God chose Mr.A from Nigeria to spread the true teachings in an era where Internet or telephones does not exist. 

It then takes 500 years for that message to travel to China. In this 500 year period, millions of people died without even hearing the message. Because the message never reached them. So they don't know.

Can I as God then punish them because they never embraced the religion promoted by Mr.A? 

As I said earlier, if humans are supposed to be part of a particular religion in order to be accepted by God, then I as the God would have selected a messenger from every community in this planet. 

Selecting one guy from a far away land and punishing someone miles away for not being part of the team which they never knew existed seems to be very unfair.

The other thing to ponder will be this. What about those people who lived and died before the time of the messenger himself?

Once again, millions of people would have believed or disbelieved in me before I appointed Mr.A as the de facto messenger of my team. Sending them to hell is again very unfair.

Now assuming that those who died without knowing Mr.A's message or those who lived and died before his time will not be punished, then wouldn't that mean others have the right not to be part of the team and escape punishment?


These questions are actualy very important questions. But it is entirely up to you on how you wish to look upon it.

A friend once asked me "Do you Hindus still believe in Ramayana?".

I replied "Yes. Historically yes. But we cannot expect everyone to have the same interpretation. People will have their own views about it. This is why we do not force people to believe it in our way. The message inside Ramayana is more important than how you choose to believe in it"

My friend then went on to say how such myths do not exist in his religion and why he thinks his religion is the only true religion in this world.

I replied with a smile "If you can believe in a story told by a man from a different culture who claims that someone whispered to him when he was all alone in a cave, why can't I believe in something historical told by my own ancestors?"

There was no response and I was not expecting one too.


Wednesday, 4 December 2013

Bujang Valley & Malaysian Indians


Bujang Valley is an ancient archeological site in the northern Malaysian state of Kedah. It contains archeological evidence and structures that shows the ancient Hindu-Buddhist heritage of the state. The temples are known as chandi. 


Recently, a not so smart developer demolished a particular chandi believed to be 1200-1300 years old (8th century AD). Suddenly many self proclaimed Indian champions of Bujang Valley became very agitated. MIC and Hindu Sangam became very upset. Indians of Facebook were busy condemning the government for their inaction.

All because some Indians claimed that INDIAN HERITAGE was destroyed. Because these champions thought their grandfathers and great grandfathers built it.

The chandis were built even before the time of Rajaraja Chola or his son Rajendra Chola. Rajendra Chola attacked ancient Kedah in 11th century AD. That is a few hundred years after the chandis were built. Furthermore, he sent a military expedition but neither he nor his father personally participated in it. 

But our beloved hardcore Indians thinks that Rajendra Chola came here, ate Nasi Lemak bungkus and left.

I was hurt too when I read the news. Not because of any Indian taglines but simply because I love to dwell in history. Furthermore, Malaysian government should preserve the history of this land. Malaysia was after all a Hindu-Buddhist domain before the arrival of Islam. The Hindu-Buddhist past of this land must never be erased.

The ancient Malays, I mean the ancestors of the real Malays, not the Melayu Celup or Constitutional Malays, were the ones who built these chandis. They would have gained the knowledge from the Indians. After all, didn't they learn religion from the Indians? Didn't they use their language? Didn't they use their writing scripts?

You see, we Indians of Malaysia have a problem. We think that anything linked with Hinduism must have been created by our direct ancestors.  It is true that Hinduism was introduced to Southeast Asia by the people of India. But that does not mean every single chandi was built by them. 

Some of the ancient Indians who came here would have intermarried with some hot local Malay girls in wet sarong and lived happily ever after. Their descendants would have just remained here and became ancestors of some of the locals.

These ancient Indians who settled down here and their descendants are not the direct ancestors of the present day Malaysian Indians. 

We have been here for probably around 200 years only. Anything beyond that goes back to India. We can still trace our roots to some village in India but none of us can trace a continuous lineage that lived here for 2000 years.

The oldest community to live here among the present day Malaysian Indians are the Malacca Chetties. They are Tamils of the merchant Chetti caste. They came here during the Malacca empire era and lived here since then. They did not go back to India. Some would have intermarried the locals (again hot girl in wet sarong) but they didn't end up loosing their 'Chettiness' for the last 500 years.

But your grandfather and my grandfather settled down here during British rule. Although their ancestors would have traveled here earlier, they never stayed permanently. So how can we claim that our direct ancestors were the ones who built and lived along the chandis in Kedah??? 

Because if it was our ancestors who built it and lived here permanently, we would have been a 'rojak Malay' by now and not a Tamil speaking Hindu Malaysian Indian.

I am sorry to say this but it looks like most of you Malaysian Indians don't seem to know your own roots. You don't know which caste you belong to, you don't even know the name of your ancestral village in India, then why on earth simply say things which are not true?

A person who knows his roots very well will know the caste and village his taata and paati came from. He will not simply lay claims to a heritage which was built by another race.

To make the problem worst, the modern Malaysian Malays are not speaking up to defend what their ancestors built. This is because their ancestors were not Muslims like them. Their ancestors were Hindus and Buddhist. 

So the general Malay public which has been coated with Arabic culture does not seem to give a damn about their own Hindu-Buddhist heritage in this land. They keep speaking about heritage which is Islamic and forget about their pre-Islamic glorious past.

Again, I am only referring to the pure Malays, not any Malay wannabe like the not so honorable Ridhuan Tee Abdullah who has roots in China.

The Malays should learn from their cousins in Indonesia. Despite being the most populous Muslim country in the world, Indonesia accepts and preserves the Hindu-Buddhist past of the country. They don't live in denial.

And to my fellow Malaysian Indians, I think for as long as you don't know your own roots, you should not even bother opening your mouth about other ancient heritage.

You cannot take care of your own heritage, why make so much of noise for something which was never yours?

End of tantrum.....

Monday, 25 November 2013

The Paraiyars


Thirumavalavan, Dalit activist and president of Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi (VCK)

The Paraiyars are among the most ancient Tamil clans which has stood the test of time. They were also mentioned in the ancient Sangam literature, the Purananooru.

The name of this clan comes from the percussion instrument known as Parai. The actual meaning of the Tamil word Parai is 'to speak' or 'to convey'. Malayalam language being a descendent of Tamil managed to retain the use of this word. 

Some of you who happened to hear spoken Malayalam would have come across the following:

English
Can you suggest another hotel? 

Malayalam
Vere oru hotel parayamo?

The Parai drum was used for religious occasions. The art performance which uses the Parai drum is known as Parai Aattam. It is also called as Thappu Aattam by the Telugu speaking Sakkiliyars.

After the social change that happened in ancient times, it lost its importance and became associated with funeral rites. 

Besides religious occasions, the Parai drum was also used as an instrument for official purpose. The drum beaters will beat the Parai to convey messages up to several kilometers. The Parai drum was also used during war.

The Paraiyars were once a respected community. It is believed that they lost their social status after the Vellalar colonization of Thondaimandalam in the 8th century AD.

Thondaimandalam is the northern region of present day Tamil Nadu. 

According to the census in 2001, there were 1,860,519 Paraiyars in Tamil Nadu. The Paraiyars are also known as Sambavar.

The Paraiyars consume beef. Skins of cows are used for their Parai drums. They had their own settlements in the past. It is usually located in the outskirts of the villages. Such settlements are known as Paracheri. 

When the British came to India, they noticed that the beef eating Paraiyars were living in the outskirts of the village. The word Paraiyar was then adopted into English as Pariah to refer to outcasts. It is used till today all over the world.




Besides beating drums, Paraiyars also practiced Shamanism. They were involved in black magic and ritualistic trance. There are several divisions among the Paraiyars. 


One of it is a priestly division known as the Valluvar. It is believed that the author of Tirukural, Tiruvalluvar came from this division of the Paraiyars. His real name is not known. The Valluvars also worked as weavers.

The author of Tirukural who came from the priestly division of the Paraiyars, the Valluvars. Hence, he is know as Tiruvalluvar - The respected Valluvar.

Many Paraiyar families migrated to Malaysia during colonial period. They served as indentured laborers in the rubber estates along with many other clans. 

The Malaysian Paraiyars managed to preserve some of the cultures of their ancestors. Some of them are still involved in Shamanism. The sound of the Parai can be heard in modern Malaysia due to their effort in preserving the art.




Tuesday, 12 November 2013

My Thoughts on Numerology

Today's world is obsessed with many occult practices. Among the many occult practices that became an obsession is Numerology. I have nothing against occult practices. Some of the practices like Palmistry and Indian Astrology have always kindled the interest in me.

According to Palmistry and Indian Astrology, no two human being will have the same reading. The lines in our palms are unique. Furthermore, Indian Astrology is calculated based on time of birth, place of birth, latitude and longitude. There are also rules to follow if twins were born, making this branch of occult science a very special one.

However, Numerology as what we see today has many flaws. The flaw is not with the numbers, but the system itself.

Numerology is based mainly on ones date of birth. Numbers are taken, added and a reading is done. Alphabets are assigned numerical values and names derived from the combination of alphabets are said to have special values.

This is believed to have the power to decide on fate itself.
 

17-01-2013

(17 January 2013)

A person born on this date will have two numbers. The first being his Birth Number and the second is his Destiny Number.

Birth Number is based on the addition of the first two digit representing the day he was born. In this case, 17. Therefore, 1 + 7 = 8. If the date was 29, then it will be 2 + 9 = 11, 1 + 1 = 2.

The Destiny Number is based on the addition of all digits in the date. 1 + 7 + 0 + 1 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 3 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6.

We must add the digits until one digit remains.

Now, lets consider the parallel dates of today 12-11-2013 with other calendars apart from the Gregorian Calendar.

Jullian Calendar
30-10-2013

Hebrew Calendar
09-03-5774

Islamic Calendar
08 -01-1435

Persian Calendar
21-08-1392

Chinese Calendar
10-10-4711

Tamil Calendar
26-08-5115

The Birth Number for today is 3 in the Jullian calendar, 9 in Hebrew, 8 in Islamic, 3 in Persian, 1 in Chinese and 8 in Tamil.

The Jews, Chinese and Tamils have long used their calendar even before the Jullian or the Gregorian calendar were invented.

If you were to compare the other dates (and years), you will notice that the Birth Number and Destiny Number keeps changing.


Some may counter this argument by stating that 3 in Gregorian is equivalent to 8 in another calendar so the readings of each Numerology system will be accurate for its own calendar.

That is not true, the calendars shown above do not necessarily have the same corresponding numbers at all times. Therefore, 3 in Gregorian is not necessarily 8 in Tamil at all times.

For example,12-11-2000 is 22-08-1379 in the Persian Calendar. The Birth Number is 3 Gregorian, 3 Persian in 2013 but 3 Gregorian, 4 Persian in 2000.

The numbers will always change and the readings will of course be different.

I usually hear the argument of pro-Numerology people who state that since we are following the Gregorian Calendar today, we must derive our Numerology system based on this calendar.

First of all, we all have to remind ourselves about the history of calendars. Today, we follow the Gregorian Calendar. This calendar is also known as the Christian Calendar. It was modified from the Jullian Calendar in 1582.

The Indians started using this calendar only after the British invasion. Furthermore, as Western colonial power spread across the globe, various countries started adopting this calendar too.

Say if China and its allies invades the world tomorrow just like what the British did in the past, they will have all the power to change the standard calendar again. 


In fact, a new calendar with a new year can be created anytime to commemorate the victory of the invading nation.

Such thing has happened in the past and it will not be suprising for it to happen again.

Should that happen like it did in the past, will the pro-Numerology people change their system again? If the entire world start using the Chinese calendar, will they still use the Gregorian Calendar to derive their Birth and Destiny Number?

Think.....

Furthermore, for us Tamil Hindus, all our celebrations and festivals are based on our own Tamil Calendar. We follow the Lunar-Solar system. We even take note of the moon phases.

We only use the Gregorian Calendar for matters which is not related to our religion or culture. But our entire culture and religion is still depending on our own Tamil Calendar.

So why should a Tamil Hindu calculate his Birth or Destiny Number based on Gregorian Calendar? If the reason is mystical, then shouldn't the Tamil Hindus use their own Tamil Calendar to derive their numbers?

Another thing which we have to ponder is people with the same Birth Number or Destiny Number do not necessarily have the same characteristics.

Of course, the Numerologist will show us some samples and say things like "You see, those born on 1st of the month will have very good leadership skills".

Does that mean everyone born on 1st is a natural leader?
Does that mean those born on other days do not have leadership quality?


When a Numerologist list out the characteristics of each number, we just fall for it blindly because we only pay attention to our own number. We need to realise that we actualy have bits and pieces of the characteristics shown in all numbers.

A person with number 5 may only train his mind to focus on the characteristics of number 5 without realising that he may also have characters of 9, 8 or 2. 





The second matter which I would like to highlight here is assigning numerical values to alphabets.

Each alphabet has its own number and this varies according to the Numerology system one follows. Certain people also believe that if the alphabets can be added or reduced in a person's name, it will give a different effect.

SHARMALAN  = 1 + 8 + 1 + 9 + 4 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 5 = 33 = 6

A numerologist will then do his reading based on the number 33 or 6. If he finds it not suitable for my Birth Number or Destiny Number, he will recommend some changes.

SHARMALAN can then become SHARMALANN, SHYARMALAN, SYARMALAN, SHARMAALAN etc

Each will give a different numerical value.

Fair enough but no matter how my name is restructured, the pronunciation is still going to be the same. So why does it matter?

To add on, I could even have nicknames among my friends and family. Some might call me with names other than Sharmalan. Does that mean the power changes each time a different name is called?

Another fact we have to consider is the alphabets used are Roman Script. The world has many languages and many scripts. People still use those scripts to write. Assuming that Roman Script alphabets have some mystical power is quite mind blowing.

Our ancestors never used the Roman Script and they definitely did not believe in Numerology based on Roman Script.

I am not against anyone's believes in numbers or luck but I think it is best for the believers of Numerology to reconsider the system they are following. 


As for me, I do not believe in Numerology because I see a lot of flaws in the way the numerical values are calculated and assigned.

To me, simply taking a date from a calendar and assuming it to be my number is something hard to accept especially when we are still using other calendar system in our daily lives.

Friday, 8 November 2013

Chindians of Nilgiris



An offspring born as a result of marriage between an Indian and Chinese is known as Chindian. This term is very common in Malaysia as there are quite a number of Chindians in my country.


Nilgiris
Back in the 19th century, there were a lot of Chinese convicts in British Malaya. The prison was not enough to accommodate them so these convicts were sent to a prison in Nilgiris.

Nilgiris is a hilly region located in the west of Tamil Nadu. It is known for its natural beauty and tea plantations.

During a stormy night in 1868, 12 of these Chinese convicts escaped from the prison. They were arrested 2 weeks later in Malabar (prese
nt day Kerala).

Some of the Chinese remained in Nilgiris. They married the local Paraiyar tribe women and settled down on the hill slopes between Naduvattam and Gudalur. Their descendants with typical Chinese slant eyes developed into a colony over there.

This is one of the earliest records of Chindian families in modern history outside Malaysia.


I wonder what happened to the Chindians of Nilgiris.

Wednesday, 6 November 2013

Birds of A Feather Flock Together

The population of our species is currently 7.1 billion. We are in every part inhabitable in this planet. Although we are the same species, breathe the same air, and share the same blood color, we have differentiated ourselves in many ways. 

Our ancestors are probably the same but thousands of years of social evolution has divided mankind along many lines. We took different paths, settled in different lands, created different cultures, believe in different Gods, speak different languages but we remain the same when it comes to our strong sense of belonging. 

That sense of belonging can be called as tribalism. Tribalism is alive in each one of us. Although the core feeling is the same, the application is different.

Take football fans for an example. No matter how good or bad the performance is, a diehard Man Utd fan and a Liverpool fan will never come to a common agreement. Their loyalty to their club is displayed by not just supporting the club of their choice but also by throwing tantrums on their rivals.



I am sure some of you will remember an incident that happened in Malaysia not so long ago. A Man Utd fan was at a stadium full of Liverpool fans during one of the training session. 

His mistake? He wore a Man Utd jersey and the crowd forced him to remove it. They also mocked him and booed at him.

Although it is common sense not to wear a rival jersey in such place, we cannot deny that the behavior displayed by the crowd on that day is in fact a form of tribalism. Race, religion, caste, age, gender did not matter on that day. The love for their team is above all. There are also incidents of football fans beating up each other and also stabbing one another.

Now let's look at other forms of tribalism. 

Faith or religious believes also contributes to tribalism. Perhaps the biggest contributor. Although many religion claims to be against the concept of tribe or race, the religion itself becomes a tribe. Countless wars have been fought in the name of religion. Christians killing Muslims, Muslims killing Hindus, Hindus killing Jains. The list goes on.

Some may argue by stating that atheist do not kill others in the name of God. True enough but the atheist themselves often form groups to go against religious institutions. This even involves insulting religious beliefs and its believers. The atheist who choose to group themselves believe that their choice is better than the others and there is a need to form a network. Here again, tribalism is being displayed.

We then have tribalism according to our birth. This comes in the form of caste or race. It is natural to see people of the same race or caste associating with one another. They form groups for themselves. 

The ones formed under racial umbrella is often because of common skin colour or a common native language. The ones formed under caste or clan is because of family and kinship. They are related to each other, siblings and distant cousins. So naturally, they see a need to bond together.

The racial riots that happened is due to this form of tribalism. Let's say a Malay guy is attacked by a group of Chinese youths on the road. The other Malays will see it as Chinese attacking Malays. 

They will then respond to it in a similar manner. When that happens, rumors will spread claiming that the Malays and Chinese are chopping each other although not all Malays and Chinese are involved. 

99% of them probably did not even know about the fight that started it all.

But when it becomes a racial fight, the spirit of tribalism will then be displayed. 

If a Tamil speaking guy says something negative about Tamil society, it will probably be taken as a feedback. Some may even call the person a social reformer.

But what if a Telugu guys does the same with similar intention? 

High chances are he will be labelled as anti-Tamil. This happens because people feel threatened when someone outside their circle speaks about them. It is like having your neighbor talking about your family when it is none of his business.

When Periyar campaigned against caste, his main activities were centered around anti-Brahmin ideas. Periyar insulted Brahmin women and the Brahmins. He was also against Hinduism. He encouraged Hindu idols to be smashed and paraded with slippers. 

His ideology created a separate cluster of Tamils. Periyarism became a caste of its own. An anti-Brahmin, anti-Hindu caste.

Tribalism is also seen in the music industry. When the rapper Psychomantra lashed out at Yogi B, there was war of words between their two fan base. Both throwing words at each other. 

Who is the better rapper? Who has better lyrics? Who is right? Who is wrong? Fans were arguing although the real issue has got nothing to do with them. That is also a form of tribalism.

What about politics? Of course, tribalism exist there. BN and PR will never agree with each other. So are their supporters. Here, the supporters will go to the extend of not speaking up when their party of choice makes a mistake.

For example, most of us do not like BN. But that does not mean we should be quiet when PR does something wrong. 

When a private home altar was demolished in Sepang, many PR supporters of Hindu faith chose to be quiet about it because Sepang is under PR rule. They then came up with a list of arguments to justify the act. 

When someone speaks up, they are immediately labelled as 'Macai BN' (A stupid BN supporter) although the person who speaks up may be anti-BN in real life.

The authorities then ruled that it was illegal to demolish the altar and all of a sudden, the noise makers became silent. They refuse to admit what was done is indeed wrong.

Our sense of political tribalism closed our eyes at that moment. We failed to uphold what we originally intend to fight for.

Is tribalism good or bad? It can be either way. Regardless of how good or bad it is, it cannot be denied that tribalism exist as a culture in human society. 

As the saying goes, birds of a feather flock together. It is human nature to group themselves according to their similarities and that can be for almost anything.

Take a look around you and you will see this behavior in almost every aspect of our daily life. The spirit of tribalism exist in each one of us for different purpose. Only the degree of its display varies.

Thursday, 24 October 2013

Lord Rama - A vegetarian? Guess not.

Hindus often have a misconception about Hinduism. We often tag it as a vegetarian religion. Hinduism as we know today is actually a collection of various religions native to the Indian subcontinent. Unlike the Abrahamic religions, it is not a one book religion. 

Therefore, there are many scriptures and paths within Hinduism. Each may contradict with one another. Each path has its own rules and way of doing things. What is correct for you may not necessarily be correct for me.

The Gaudinya Vaishnavites believe that Krishna is the Supreme God. The other Vaishnavites disagree by stating that Vishnu Narayana is the Supreme God and Krishna is just an avatar.

Get my point?

Many Hindus failed to realize the vast differences within Hinduism itself. 

Vegetarianism become popular in India not because of Hinduism but because of Jainism and Buddhism. These were the real promoters of vegetarianism. Only after the arrival of Buddhism and Jainism did vegetarian practice became so popular in India.

There are many references in Hindu scriptures and epics which promotes vegetarianism but at the same time, there are many references which speaks about animal sacrifice and consumption of meat. 

Believers of  'Vegetarian Hinduism' will definitely deny this. Many do not like to speak about it and for obvious reasons, do not like people like me to speak about it.

I used to be very active in Hindu forums during the early 2000s. I often end up arguing with many priest and most of them happen to be from ISKON. I have nothing against vegetarians or Vegetarian Hindus. It is a choice. I also have nothing against ISKON.

But at the same time, I strongly believe that the historical facts about Hinduism must never be denied. There is no shame or guilt in accepting something which is against the current norm. 

If we can accept the fact that Draupadi was shared by 5 husbands, why can't we accept the non-vegetarian aspect of Hinduism?

One of the hottest debates which I came across was about Lord Rama's diet. As we all know, he was a warrior born in the Solar race. He belonged to a lineage known as the Ishvaku lineage. Rama lived in the forest for many years. He was exiled.

So what he could have eaten in the forest? Some argued with me stating that he relied on fruits, herbs and roots only. I find it difficult to believe. 

The current Ramayana books which you get in the market may tell a different story. It has been edited from the original version. I call it the 'vegetarianised scriptures'.

We need to look at the Ramayana written by Vaalmiki. Not the Ramayana which was edited in recent times to suit the needs of certain Hindu groups.

I have included some verses from the Vaalmiki Ramayana itself. You can read it towards the end of this article and judge it for yourself.

I have nothing against a non-vegetarian Rama.
I accept Rama for how he was, not for how I want him to be.



JAI SRI RAM!!!




suraaghaTasahasreNa maamsabhuutodanena cha |
yakshye tvaam prayataa devi puriim punarupaagataa || 2-52-89

89. devii= “Oh, goddess! Upaagata= After reaching; puriim= the city (Ayodhya); punaH= again; yakshhye= I shall worship (you); suraaghata sahasreNa= with thousand pots of spirituous liquor; maamsa bhuutodanena cha = and jellied meat with cooked rice; prayataa= well-prepared for the solemn rite.”

“Oh, goddess! After reaching back the city of Ayodhya, I shall worship you with thousand pots of spirituous liquor and jellied meat with cooked rice well prepared for the solemn rite.”

Verse 89, Sarga 52, Ayodhya Kanda
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 तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् |
वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् |
आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ|
वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२

102. hatvaa = having killed; tatra = there; chaturaH = four; mR^igaan = deer (namely); varaaham = Varaaha; R^ishyam = Risya; pR^ishhatam = PR^isata; mahaaruru = (and) Mahaaruru; (the four principal species of deer); aadayaa = and taking; tvaritam = quickly; medhyam = the portions that were pure; tou = Rama and Lakshmana; bubhukshhitou = being hungry as they were; yayatuH = reached; vanaspatim = a tree; vaasayaa = to take rest; kaale = in the evening.

Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.

Verse 102, Sarga 52, Ayodhya Kanda
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 क्रोशमात्रम् ततो गत्वा भ्रातरौ रामलक्ष्मनौ || २-५५-३३
बहून्मेध्यान् मृगान् हत्वा चेरतुर्यमुनावने |

33. tataH = thereafter; gatvaa = having travelled; kroshamaatram = only a couple of miles; bhraatarau = the two brothers; raamalakshhmaNau = Rama and Lakshmana; hatvaa = killed; bahuun = many; medhyaan = consecrated; mR^igaan = deer; cheratuH = and ate; yamunaavane = in the river-forest of Yamuna.

Thereafter having travelled only a couple of miles the two brothers Rama and Lakshmana killed many consecrated deer and ate in the river-forest of Yamuna.

Verse 33, Sarga 55, Ayodhya Kanda
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 ऐणेयम् मांसम् आहृत्य शालाम् यक्ष्यामहे वयम् |
कर्त्व्यम् वास्तुशमनम् सौमित्रे चिरजीवभिः || २-५६-२२

22. saumitre = Oh; Lakshmana!; aahR^itya = being; aiNeyam maamsam = bring meat of the antelope; vayam = we; yakshyaamahe = shall worship; shaalaam = (this) leaf-hut; vaastushamanam = purifactory ceremony on entering the house; kartavyam = on entering the; chirajiivibhiH = by those who wish to live long.

"Oh, Lakshmana! Bring the meat of an antelope. We shall perform a purifactory ceremony while entering the house. Which is to be done by those who wish to live long."

Verse 22, Sarga 56, Ayodhya Kanda
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 मृगम् हत्वाऽऽनय क्षिप्रम् लक्ष्मणेह शुभेक्षण
कर्तव्यः शास्त्रदृष्टो हि विधिर्दर्ममनुस्मर || २-५६-२३

23. shubhekshaNa = Oh; large-eyed; lakshmaNa = Lakshmana!; hatvaa = killing; mR^igam = the antelope; kshhipram = quickly; anaya = bring; iha = here; vidhiH = the prescribed rite; shaastra dR^iSTaH = according to scriptural point of view; kartavyaH hi = indeed is to be done; anusmara = keep in mind; dharmam = the sacred obligation."

"Oh, large-eyed Lakshmana! Killing the antelope quickly, bring it here. The prescribed rite according to scriptural point of view indeed is to be performed. Keep in mind the sacred obligation."

Verse 23. Sarga 56, Ayodhya Kanda
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 इणेयम् श्रपयस्वैतच्च्चालाम् यक्ष्यमहे वयम् |
त्वरसौम्य मुहूर्तोऽयम् ध्रुवश्च दिवसोऽप्ययम् || २-५६-२५

25. saumya = Oh; great brother!; shrapayasva = boil; etat = this; aiNeyam = antelope's meat; vayam = we; yakshyaamahe = shall worship; shaalaam = the leaf-hut; ayam = this; divasaH = day; ayam = (and) this; muhuurtaH api = instant also; dhruvaH = are of a distinctive character; tvara = be quick.

"Oh, gentle brother! Boil this antelope's meat. We shall worship the leaf-hut. This day and this instant also are of a distinctive character. Be quick."

Verse 25, Sarga 56, Ayodhya Kanda
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 स लक्ष्मणः कृष्ण मृगम् हत्वा मेध्यम् पतापवान् |
अथ चिक्षेप सौमित्रिः समिद्धे जात वेदसि || २-५६-२६

atha = then; saH lakshmaNaH = that Lakshmana; prataapavaan = the strong man; saumitriH = and son of Sumitra; hatvaa = killing; medhyam = the holy; kR^iSNa mR^igam = black antelope; chikSepa = tossed; jaata vedasi = in a fire; samiddhe = ignited.

Then, Lakshmana the strong man and son of Sumitra, killing a holy back antelope, tossed it in an ignited fire.

Verse 26, Sarga 56, Ayodhya Kanda
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 तम् तु पक्वम् समाज्ञाय निष्टप्तम् चिन्न शोणितम् |
लक्ष्मणः पुरुष व्याघ्रम् अथ राघवम् अब्रवीत् || २-५६-२७

27. parijJNaaya = feeling certain; pakvam = it is cooked; niSTaptam = and heated thoroughly; chinna shoNitam = with no blood remaining; lakshmaNaH = Lakshmana; atha = thereafter; abraviit = spoke; raaghavam = to Rama; puruSa vyaaghram = the lion among men (as follows).

Feeling certain that it is cooked and heated thoroughly with no blood remaining, Lakshmana spoke to Rama the lion among man as follows:

Verse 27, Sarga 56, Ayodhya Kanda
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 अयम् कृष्णः समाप्त अन्गः शृतः कृष्ण मृगो यथा |
देवता देव सम्काश यजस्व कुशलो हि असि || २-५६-२८

28. ayam = this; kR^iSNaH mR^igo = black antelope; samaapta angaH = with its complete limbs; shR^itaH = has been cooked; sarvaH = completely; mayaa = by me; deva damkaasha = Oh Rama; remsembling god!; yajasva = worship; devataaH = the deities; asi ahi = you are indeed; kushalaH = skilled (in such act)

"This black antelope, with its complete limbs, has been cooked completely by me. Oh, Rama resembling God! Worship the concerned deity, as you are skilled in that act."

Verse 28, Sarga 56, Ayodhya Kanda
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 वन्यैर्माल्यैः फलैर्मूलैः पक्वैर्मांसैर्यथाविधि |
अद्भर्जपैश्च वेदोक्तै र्धर्भैश्च ससमित्कुशैः || २-५६-३४
तौ तर्पयित्वा भूतानि राघवौ सह सीतया |
तदा विविशतुः शालाम् सुशुभाम् शुभलक्षणौ || २-५६-३५

34;35. raaghavau = Rama and Lakshmana; saha siitauyaa = along with Seetha; shubha lakshhmaNau = having auspicious characterstics; tarpayitvaa = satisfied; bhuutaani = the spirits; maalyaiH = by crowns of flowers; vanyaiH = obtained in the forest; phalaiH = by fruits; mulaiH = by roots; pakvaiH = by cooked; maamsaiH = meat; abdhiH = by water; japaishcha = by prayers; vedoktaiH = as uttered in sacred texts (Vedas); darbhaishcha = by sacred grass; sasmitkuchaiH = by fuel and Kusa grass; tadaa = then; vivishatuH = entered; sushubhaam = the auspicious; shaalaam = leaf-hut.


Rama and Lakshmana along with Seetha, having auspicious characteristics, satisfied the sirits by crowns of flowers obtained in the forest, by fruits roots and cooked meat, by water, by prayers as uttered in the sacred texts (Vedas), by sacred grass, by fuel and Kusa grass and then entered the auspicious leaf-hut.

Verse 35, Sarga 56, Ayodhya Kanda
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 तां तथा दर्शयित्वा तु मैथिलीं गिरिनिम्नगाम् |
निषसाद गिरिप्रस्थे सीतां मांसेन चन्दयन् || २-९६-१

1. tathaa = thus; darshayitvaa = having shown; girinimnagaam = the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam = to that Seetha; maithiliim = the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada = sat; giriprashthe = on the hill side; chhandayan = in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena = with flesh.Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.

Verse 1, Sarga 96, Ayodhya Kanda
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 इदं मेध्यमिदं स्वादु निष्टप्तमिदमग्निना |
एवमास्ते स धर्मात्मा सीतया सह राघवः || २-९६-२

2. saH raaghavaH = that Rama; dharmaatmaa = of righteousness; aaste = stayed; siitayaa sha = with Seetha; evam = thus speaking; idam = this meat; madhyam = is fresh; idam = this; niSTaptam = was roasted; agninaa = in the fire.Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."

Verse 2, Sarga 96, Ayodhya Kanda
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 निहत्य पृषतम् च अन्यम् मांसम् आदाय राघवः |
त्वरमाणो जनस्थानम् ससार अभिमुखः तदा || ३-४४-२७

27. tadaa = then; raaghavaH = Raghava; anyam = another one; pR^iSatam nihatya ca = spotted deer, on killing, also; maamsam aadaaya = its flesh, on taking; tvaramaaNaH = hurrying himself; janasthaanam abhimukhaH sasaara = to Janasthaana, towards, he drifted,proceeded.

Raghava then on killing another spotted deer and on taking its flesh, he hurried himself towards Janasthaana. [3-44-27]

Verse 27, Sarga 44, Aranya Kanda
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 समाश्वस मुहूर्तम् तु शक्यम् वस्तुम् इह त्वया || ३-४७-२२
आगमिष्यति मे भर्ता वन्यम् आदाय पुष्कलम् |
रुरून् गोधान् वराहान् च हत्वा आदाय अमिषान् बहु || ३-४७-२३

22b, 23. muhuurtam samaashvasa = for a moment, be comfortable; tvayaa iha vastum shakyam = by you, here, to take rest, possible; me bhartaa = my, husband; ruruun = stag with black stripes; godhaan = mongooses like [civet-like mammals of the family Viverridae, esp. of the genus Herpestes, Marathi manguus]; varaahaan ca = wild-boars, also; hatvaa = on killing; bahu amiSaan aadaaya = aplenty, meat, on taking; puSkalam vanyam aadaaya = plentiful, forest produce, on taking; aagamiSyati = will be coming [soon.]"Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty. [3-47-22b, 23]

Verse 23, Sarga 47, Aranya Kanda
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 रामो अथ सह सौमित्रिः वनम् यात्वा स वीर्यवान् |
स्थूलान् हत्वा महा रोहीन् अनु तस्तार तम् द्विजम् || ३-६८-३२

32. atha = then; viiryavaan raamaH = resolute one, Rama; saha saumitriH = with, Soumitri; vanam yaatvaa = to forest, on going; sthuulaan mahaa rohiin hatvaa = robust-bodied, big, Rohi [or, Kesari animals,] on killing - hunted; tam dvijam = for him, the bird; saH = he; anutastaara = spread sacred grass - to place offerings.Then that resolute Rama on going into forest along with Soumitri hunted a robust-bodied, big Rohi animal, or, Kesari animal, and then he spread sacred grass on ground to place that offering to the deceased soul of that bird. [3-68-32]

Verse 32, Sarga 68, Aranya Kanda
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 रोहि मांसानि च उद्धृत्य पेशी कृत्वा महायशाः |
शकुनाय ददौ रामो रम्ये हरित शाद्वले || ३-६८-३३

33. mahaayashaaH = highly renowned one - for his observance of religious ceremonies; raamaH = Rama; rohi maamsaani = Rohi animal's, meat; uddhR^itya = pulling out; peshii kR^itvaa = to gobbets, on lumping it; ramye harita shaadvale = on pleasant, greenish, on pastures; shakunaaya dadau = for the bird [Jataayu,] gave [as offering.]On drawing up the flesh of that Rohi animal and lumping it to gobbets, that highly observant Rama placed those gobbets on pleasant greenish pasturelands as obsequial offerings in respect of that bird Jataayu. [3-68-33]

Verse 33, Sarga 68, Aranya Kanda
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 न उद्विजन्ते नरान् दृष्ट्वा वधस्य अकोविदाः शुभाः || ३-७३-१३
घृत पिण्ड उपमान् स्थूलान् तान् द्विजान् भक्षयिष्यथः |

13b, 14a. vadhasya = of killing - about hunting; a kovidaaH = not, experts - artless to avoid hunting; shubhaaH = best - birds; naraan dR^iSTvaa = people, on seeing; na udvijante = un, flustered; ghR^ita piNDa upamaan = ghee, gobs, in simile; sthuulaan taan dvijaan = burly, them, birds; bhakSayiSyathaH = you may savour."Thereabout birds will be unflustered on seeing humans, because they are artless to avoid hunting, because none kills them, and you may savour them because those birds will be best and burley, similar to ghee-gobs... [3-73-13b, 14a] 


Verse 13, Sarga 73, Aranya Kanda
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रोहितान् वक्र तुण्डान् च नल मीनान् च राघव || ३-७३-१४
पंपायाम् इषुभिः मत्स्यान् तत्र राम वरान् हतान् |
निस्त्वक्पक्षानयसतप्तानकृशान्नैककण्टकान् - यद्वा -
निः त्वक् पक्षान् अयस तप्तान् अकृशान् न अनेक कण्टकान् || ३-७३-१५
तव भक्त्या समायुक्तो लक्ष्मणः संप्रदास्यति |
भृशम् तान् खादतो मत्स्यान् पंपायाः पुष्प संचये || ३-७३-१६

14b, 15, 16a. raaghava = oh, Raghava; raama = oh, Rama; tatra pampaayaam = therein, in Pampa Lake; iSubhiH hataan = with arrow, on skewering; varaan = best ones; niH tvak pakSaan = without, skin [scales,] wings [fins, descaling and de- finning]; ayasa taptaan = with iron rod, on broiling; a kR^ishaan ca = not, scraggy, also; na aneka kaNTakaan = not, many, with thorns [with fish-bones]; matsyaan = fishes; rohitaan = red-carps [cyprinus carpio]; vakra tuNDaan = blunt, snouted [small eatable porpoises]; nala miinaan ca = a sort of sprat, also; lakSmaNaH = Lakshmana; bhaktyaa samaayuktaH = reverence, along with - reverentially; tava = to you; sampradaasyati = will offer.

"Oh, Rama in that Pampa Lake there are best fishes, red-carps, and blunt-snouted small porpoises, and a sort of sprats, which are neither scraggy, nor with many fish-bones. Lakshmana will reverentially offer them to you on skewering them with arrow, and on broiling them on iron rod of arrow after descaling and de-finning them. [3-73-14b, 15, 16a]

Verse 14, Sarga 73, Aranya Kanda
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 पद्म गन्धि शिवम् वारि सुख शीतम् अनामयम् |
उद्धृत्य स तदा अक्लिष्टम् रूप्य स्फटिक सन्निभम् || ३-७३-१७
अथ पुष्कर पर्णेन लक्ष्मणः पाययिष्यति |

16b, 18a. bhR^isham = many [stomachful, to satiety]; taan matsyaan = those, fishes; khaadataH = while eating; puSpa sancaye = [one in the] flowers', bunches of; padma gandhi = lotus, scented; shivam = pellucid; sukha shiitam = comfortably, cool; anaamayam = without disease [uncontaminated]; sa tadaa akliSTam = that, that way, unadulterated [pristine water]; ruupya sphaTika sannibham = silver, crystal, in shine; pampaayaaH vaari = Pampa Lake's, water; atha lakSmaNaH = then, Lakshmana; puSkara parNena = with lotus, leaf; uddhR^itya = on lifting up; paayayiSyati = [to you] he offers.

"While you eat those fishes to satiety, Lakshmana will offer you the water of Pampa Lake, which will be in the bunches of flowers of that lake, and which will be lotus-scented, pellucid, comfortably cool, shiny like silver and crystal, uncontaminated and that way pristine, by lifting it up that water with lotus leaf, making that leaf a stoup-like basin... [3-73-16b, 17, 18a]

Verse 15, Sarga 73, Aranya Kanda
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 पंच पंच नखा भक्ष्या ब्रह्म क्षत्रेण राघव |
शल्यकः श्वाविधो गोधा शशः कूर्मः च पंचमः || १-१७-३९

39. raaghava = oh, Raghava; brahma kSatreNa = by Brahmans, Kshatriya-s; shalyakaH = a wild-rodent with defensive quills; shvaavidhaH = a kind of boar that kills dogs, wolves etc; godhaa = a lizard with unimaginable grip; shashaH = hare; pancamaH kuurmaH ca = fifthly, tortoise, also; panca = five [kinds of]; panca nakhaa = five nailed animals; bhakSyaa = are edible.


"Raghava, five kinds of five-nailed animals, viz., a kind of wild rodent, a kind of wild-boar, a kind of lizard, a hare and fifthly the turtle are edible for Brahmans and Kshatriya-s. [4-17-39]

Verse 37, Sarga 17, Kishkindha Kanda